From llester at info-fast.com Sat Oct 3 07:50:31 2009 From: llester at info-fast.com (Lane Lester) Date: Sat Oct 3 07:51:04 2009 Subject: [As-users] Two Newbie Questions Message-ID: Is there an AfterStep forum? How do I resize and move a program that is already running? I see how you place a window to begin with, but many of them are too large to begin with, and I can't figure how to change their size. Lane *Lane Lester* My Blog | LinkedIn| Twitter -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From llester at info-fast.com Sat Oct 3 15:52:41 2009 From: llester at info-fast.com (Lane Lester) Date: Sat Oct 3 15:53:03 2009 Subject: [As-users] Re: As-users Digest, Vol 61, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20091003170004.5795AC166@mail.sus4.net> References: <20091003170004.5795AC166@mail.sus4.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:00 PM, wrote: > How do I resize and move a program that is already running? I see how you > place a window to begin with, but many of them are too large to begin with, > and I can't figure how to change their size. > OK, skip it. I finally stumbled across it. Strange that I've not been able to find any kind of tutorial about basic stuff like that. Lane *Lane Lester* My Blog | LinkedIn| Twitter -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From jkrebs at tconl.com Sat Oct 3 23:27:29 2009 From: jkrebs at tconl.com (Jeff Krebs) Date: Sat Oct 3 23:27:50 2009 Subject: [As-users] Re: As-users Digest, Vol 61, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: <20091003170004.5795AC166@mail.sus4.net> Message-ID: <20091004042729.GB24831@localhost.localdomain> Simple thing is from the AfterStep Menu (left-click anywhere on the open desktop) move down to "About AfterStep". AfterWiki can be a nice resource for some things in addition to the main documentation. Jeff * Lane Lester (llester@info-fast.com) wrote: > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:00 PM, wrote: > > > How do I resize and move a program that is already running? I see how you > > place a window to begin with, but many of them are too large to begin with, > > and I can't figure how to change their size. > > > OK, skip it. I finally stumbled across it. Strange that I've not been able > to find any kind of tutorial about basic stuff like that. > > Lane > > *Lane Lester* > My Blog | > LinkedIn| > Twitter > _______________________________________________ > As-users mailing list > As-users@afterstep.org > http://mail.afterstep.org/mailman/listinfo/as-users From llester at info-fast.com Sun Oct 4 06:11:17 2009 From: llester at info-fast.com (Lane Lester) Date: Sun Oct 4 06:11:40 2009 Subject: [As-users] Re: As-users Digest, Vol 61, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20091004042729.GB24831@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091003170004.5795AC166@mail.sus4.net> <20091004042729.GB24831@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Jeff Krebs wrote: > Simple thing is from the AfterStep Menu (left-click anywhere on the open > desktop) move down to "About AfterStep". AfterWiki can be a nice > resource for some things in addition to the main documentation. > Thanks, Jeff! It's interesting that development and usage of alternate WMs seems to have almost stopped. Looks like Compiz and Company have wiped out the competition. I saw where some distro (Dream-something) switched to Window Maker from AfterStep, so I'm trying Window Maker right now. But I think I would prefer AS once I master it... or at least get familiar with it. Lane *Lane Lester* My Blog | LinkedIn| Twitter -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From llester at info-fast.com Sun Oct 4 07:55:24 2009 From: llester at info-fast.com (Lane Lester) Date: Sun Oct 4 07:55:44 2009 Subject: [As-users] Moving Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sometimes a window will open at the top of the screen so that its title bar is hidden under the Winlist. How do you move such a window down where you can resize it? I'm using the default 4x4 pager layout. Is is possible to move an open window from one View of a Desk to another? For example, if I am in Firefox and tell it to open another window, it comes up in the same View. Sometimes I would like to move it to one of the other four Views. Lane *Lane Lester* My Blog | LinkedIn| Twitter -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From oak at uniserve.com Sun Oct 4 10:15:23 2009 From: oak at uniserve.com (Graydon) Date: Sun Oct 4 10:15:52 2009 Subject: [As-users] Moving Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091004151523.GA947@fenja.localdomain> On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 08:55:24AM -0400, Lane Lester scripsit: > Sometimes a window will open at the top of the screen so that its title > bar is hidden under the Winlist. How do you move such a window down where > you can resize it? If there's no Winlist, sometimes a window will open so that the its title bar is off the viewport, too. (Lots of stuff assumes a winlist even when there isn't; the "maximize" button is really "maximize leaving space for a winlist even if you don't have one", for instance.) > I'm using the default 4x4 pager layout. Is is possible to move an open > window from one View of a Desk to another? For example, if I am in Firefox > and tell it to open another window, it comes up in the same View. > Sometimes I would like to move it to one of the other four Views. Sure -- middle click it in the pager and start dragging. Depending on your settings (and title bar availability), grab the title bar and start dragging. Generally, you can move a window from viewport to viewport with a set-able amount of resistance at the view edges. -- Graydon From llester at info-fast.com Sun Oct 4 13:38:27 2009 From: llester at info-fast.com (Lane Lester) Date: Sun Oct 4 13:38:46 2009 Subject: [As-users] Moving Questions In-Reply-To: <20091004151523.GA947@fenja.localdomain> References: <20091004151523.GA947@fenja.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Graydon wrote: > On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 08:55:24AM -0400, Lane Lester scripsit: > > Sometimes a window will open at the top of the screen so that its > title > > bar is hidden under the Winlist. How do you move such a window down > where > > you can resize it? > > If there's no Winlist, sometimes a window will open so that the its > title bar is off the viewport, too. (Lots of stuff assumes a winlist > even when there isn't; the "maximize" button is really "maximize leaving > space for a winlist even if you don't have one", for instance.) > But is there a way to move a window when you can't get to the menu on the title bar? > > > I'm using the default 4x4 pager layout. Is is possible to move an open > > window from one View of a Desk to another? For example, if I am in > Firefox > > and tell it to open another window, it comes up in the same View. > > Sometimes I would like to move it to one of the other four Views. > > Sure -- middle click it in the pager and start dragging. I obviously did not communicate well. In my understanding of the AS jargon, there are four Desks (viewports, workspaces?) and each Desk has four Views (little windows in the Desk). The middle-click thing works to drag a window from one Desk to another, but not from one View to another View in the same Desk. Maybe it can't be done. Lane *Lane Lester* My Blog | LinkedIn| Twitter -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From jkrebs at tconl.com Sun Oct 4 20:48:33 2009 From: jkrebs at tconl.com (Jeff Krebs) Date: Sun Oct 4 20:48:53 2009 Subject: [As-users] Moving Questions In-Reply-To: References: <20091004151523.GA947@fenja.localdomain> Message-ID: <20091005014833.GA10827@localhost.localdomain> Via the Menu, go to "Windows" --> "Move". Click and drag the window. I use that and the "Resize" option frequently when Firefox gets "hijacked" by malicious websites (i.e., the browser gets expanded to a ridiculously large screen, or the gadgets get hiiden under Wharf, Winlist, or Pager. Jeff * Lane Lester (llester@info-fast.com) wrote: > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Graydon wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 08:55:24AM -0400, Lane Lester scripsit: > > > Sometimes a window will open at the top of the screen so that its > > title > > > bar is hidden under the Winlist. How do you move such a window down > > where > > > you can resize it? > > > > If there's no Winlist, sometimes a window will open so that the its > > title bar is off the viewport, too. (Lots of stuff assumes a winlist > > even when there isn't; the "maximize" button is really "maximize leaving > > space for a winlist even if you don't have one", for instance.) > > > > > But is there a way to move a window when you can't get to the menu on the > title bar? > > > > > > I'm using the default 4x4 pager layout. Is is possible to move an open > > > window from one View of a Desk to another? For example, if I am in > > Firefox > > > and tell it to open another window, it comes up in the same View. > > > Sometimes I would like to move it to one of the other four Views. > > > > Sure -- middle click it in the pager and start dragging. > > > > I obviously did not communicate well. In my understanding of the AS jargon, > there are four Desks (viewports, workspaces?) and each Desk has four Views > (little windows in the Desk). The middle-click thing works to drag a window > from one Desk to another, but not from one View to another View in the same > Desk. Maybe it can't be done. > > Lane > > *Lane Lester* > My Blog | > LinkedIn| > Twitter > _______________________________________________ > As-users mailing list > As-users@afterstep.org > http://mail.afterstep.org/mailman/listinfo/as-users From oak at uniserve.com Sun Oct 4 20:52:59 2009 From: oak at uniserve.com (Graydon) Date: Sun Oct 4 20:53:19 2009 Subject: [As-users] Moving Questions In-Reply-To: References: <20091004151523.GA947@fenja.localdomain> Message-ID: <20091005015259.GA15814@fenja.localdomain> On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 02:38:27PM -0400, Lane Lester scripsit: > I obviously did not communicate well. In my understanding of the AS > jargon, there are four Desks (viewports, workspaces?) and each Desk > has four Views (little windows in the Desk). The middle-click thing Viewports; how many viewports is configurable. (I use 2x3 for instance, rather than 2x2.) > works to drag a window from one Desk to another, but not from one > View to another View in the same Desk. Maybe it can't be done. Desk 0 Desk 1 |---|---| |---|---| |0,0|0,1| |0,0|0,1| |---|---| |---|---| |1,0|1,1| |1,0|1,1| |---|---| |---|---| So you've bot Desk 0 with viewports (0,0), (0,1), (1,0), and (1,1), and Desk 1 with the another four viewports. You can drag a window showing in the pager between desks; you can also use the "to desk #0", etc. items in the AfterStep menu. But you can also drag a window between viewports on the same desktop, using middle click on the window in the pager. So you can move a specific window from 0:(0,0) to 0:(0,1) *OR* 1:(0,0), or whatever; you can even get windows halfway between view ports in the pager. -- Graydon From llester at info-fast.com Sun Oct 4 21:38:23 2009 From: llester at info-fast.com (Lane Lester) Date: Sun Oct 4 21:38:42 2009 Subject: [As-users] Moving Questions In-Reply-To: <20091005014833.GA10827@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091004151523.GA947@fenja.localdomain> <20091005014833.GA10827@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Jeff Krebs wrote: > Via the Menu, go to "Windows" --> "Move". Click and drag the window. I > use that and the "Resize" option frequently when Firefox gets "hijacked" > by malicious websites (i.e., the browser gets expanded to a ridiculously > large screen, or the gadgets get hiiden under Wharf, Winlist, or Pager. > Thanks, Jeff! That seems to work fine for everything except Firefox. There's something weird going on there: I can't move the Firefox window even when the title bar is showing. Its upper left corner is butted up against the Winlist bar on top and the Wharf, which I have vertical down the left side. I can resize it, though. In the morning my practice is to start with two Firefox windows, and I'm been starting the second one from the first one. But what I'll do now is start both of them from the Wharf, one in 0,0 and one in 0,1. Lane -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From llester at info-fast.com Sun Oct 4 21:43:52 2009 From: llester at info-fast.com (Lane Lester) Date: Sun Oct 4 21:44:13 2009 Subject: [As-users] Moving Questions In-Reply-To: <20091005015259.GA15814@fenja.localdomain> References: <20091004151523.GA947@fenja.localdomain> <20091005015259.GA15814@fenja.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Graydon wrote: > Viewports; how many viewports is configurable. (I use 2x3 for instance, > rather than 2x2.) > Thanks for the explanation; I'm using the default 4x4 right now. > You can drag a window showing in the pager between desks; you can also > use the "to desk #0", etc. items in the AfterStep menu. > > But you can also drag a window between viewports on the same desktop, > using middle click on the window in the pager. > I can see that now that I'm trying it with something other than Firefox. As I replied to Jeff, Firefox is not behaving. But it's not a problem. Lane -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From llester at info-fast.com Tue Oct 6 11:53:42 2009 From: llester at info-fast.com (Lane Lester) Date: Tue Oct 6 11:54:02 2009 Subject: [As-users] Fwd: Window Managers, Window Managers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, moderator, I forgot to use the right email address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lane Lester Date: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM Subject: Window Managers, Window Managers To: AfterStep List I guess the only perfect window manager is the one written by the guy who uses it. :) There are things I like and don't like about AfterStep, Window Manager, IceWM, XFCE4... I know there's good support on here for AS. I like to use systems that are under active development, but it doesn't look like much is happening in the window manager area. Of course, I'm limited by the fact that I don't want to do any compiling. My experiences with that have been too frustrating and time-wasting (meaning lots of time spent with nothing to show for it). Of course, you probably prefer AS, but I'd be interested in your thoughts about the alternate WM scene. Is anything happening anywhere? Lane *Lane Lester* My Blog | LinkedIn| Twitter -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From sasha at aftercode.net Wed Oct 7 10:20:39 2009 From: sasha at aftercode.net (Sasha Vasko) Date: Wed Oct 7 09:20:55 2009 Subject: [As-users] Fwd: Window Managers, Window Managers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ACCB1C7.4050802@aftercode.net> Lane Lester wrote: > I like to use systems that are under active development, but it doesn't > look like much is happening in the window manager area. > > Of course, I'm limited by the fact that I don't want to do any > compiling. My experiences with that have been too frustrating and > time-wasting (meaning lots of time spent with nothing to show for it). Liking systems under active development and not wanting to compile is a bit of a contradiction. Any specific problems compiling AfterStep? > Of course, you probably prefer AS, but I'd be interested in your > thoughts about the alternate WM scene. Is anything happening anywhere? No, nothing. Sasha Vasko