From kyle at foobox.homelinux.net Wed Apr 1 02:57:51 2009 From: kyle at foobox.homelinux.net (Kyle Liddell) Date: Wed Apr 1 02:58:12 2009 Subject: [As-users] "Reloading menu pixmaps" takes forever -- is it necessary? Message-ID: <20090401075751.GA4228@athlon> Greetings everyone. When afterstep is loading, it takes quite a while to go through all the entries in "Reloading menu pixmaps: " -- at least a minute or so on a not-slow system. Is this step necessary? If so, is there any way to speed it up? (If it's relevant, I've set MenuMiniPixmaps to 0 in my look file, but that didn't stop it.) Thanks. From jkrebs at tconl.com Wed Apr 1 04:57:20 2009 From: jkrebs at tconl.com (jkrebs@tconl.com) Date: Wed Apr 1 04:57:43 2009 Subject: [As-users] 'Reloading menu pixmaps' takes forever -- is itnecessary? In-Reply-To: <20090401075751.GA4228@athlon> References: <20090401075751.GA4228@athlon> Message-ID: <28419.153.29.176.60.1238579840.squirrel@mail.tconl.com> Do you use all of the images that are installed? One easy way to increase the load speed (and get junk off your system) is to remove all those image collections that you are probably never going to use. I generally select images I like, put them in ~/.afterstep/backgrounds/, and remove the unwanted/unneeded packages/collections. Maybe there's another way to fix this, but clutter is clutter. Jeff > Greetings everyone. > > When afterstep is loading, it takes quite a while to go through all the > entries in "Reloading menu pixmaps: " -- at least a minute or so on a > not-slow system. Is this step necessary? If so, is there any way to > speed it up? > (If it's relevant, I've set MenuMiniPixmaps to 0 in my look file, but that > didn't stop it.) > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > As-users mailing list > As-users@afterstep.org > http://mail.afterstep.org/mailman/listinfo/as-users > From niklas at fet.at Wed Apr 1 06:56:04 2009 From: niklas at fet.at (niklas@fet.at) Date: Wed Apr 1 06:56:24 2009 Subject: [As-users] 'Reloading menu pixmaps' takes forever -- is itnecessary? In-Reply-To: <28419.153.29.176.60.1238579840.squirrel@mail.tconl.com> References: <20090401075751.GA4228@athlon> <28419.153.29.176.60.1238579840.squirrel@mail.tconl.com> Message-ID: <1638.128.131.95.207.1238586964.squirrel@www.fet.at> Hello ! >From what my memory tells me load time is mostly that high because of desktop entries/categories being loaded. It was introduced sometimes in the 2.0.x aera... before that afterstep loaded as fast/faster then fvwm. Load time seems to be (almost) independent of machine speed. With my theme (5 wharfs with intense use of asxml) load time is "constant" accross different machines (500 Mhz - 2,2 Ghz) As it looks _everything_ is reloaded everytime you change anything from menu (be it colorscheme, look, feel ). So there must be room for improvement. Though all this is speculation from my side, since i only do theming/docs. Just my observations, sasha could you enlighten us all ? niklas > Do you use all of the images that are installed? One easy way to increase > the load speed (and get junk off your system) is to remove all those image > collections that you are probably never going to use. > > I generally select images I like, put them in ~/.afterstep/backgrounds/, > and remove the unwanted/unneeded packages/collections. > > Maybe there's another way to fix this, but clutter is clutter. > > > Jeff > >> Greetings everyone. >> >> When afterstep is loading, it takes quite a while to go through all the >> entries in "Reloading menu pixmaps: " -- at least a minute or so on a >> not-slow system. Is this step necessary? If so, is there any way to >> speed it up? >> (If it's relevant, I've set MenuMiniPixmaps to 0 in my look file, but >> that >> didn't stop it.) >> >> Thanks. From sasha at aftercode.net Wed Apr 1 17:14:34 2009 From: sasha at aftercode.net (Sasha Vasko) Date: Wed Apr 1 18:14:07 2009 Subject: [As-users] 'Reloading menu pixmaps' takes forever -- is itnecessary? In-Reply-To: <1638.128.131.95.207.1238586964.squirrel@www.fet.at> References: <20090401075751.GA4228@athlon> <28419.153.29.176.60.1238579840.squirrel@mail.tconl.com> <1638.128.131.95.207.1238586964.squirrel@www.fet.at> Message-ID: <49D3E74A.1020807@aftercode.net> niklas@fet.at wrote: > Hello ! > >>From what my memory tells me load time is mostly that high because of > desktop entries/categories being loaded. It was introduced sometimes in > the 2.0.x aera... before that afterstep loaded as fast/faster then fvwm. > > Just my observations, sasha could you enlighten us all ? Well, MenuMiniPixmaps 0 currently will only prevent minipixmaps from being displayed, but they will still get loaded on startup. I think it does not make sense, and I'm currently changing it to not do that. So hopefully we'll make a new release of AS soon, which will not do that. While waiting for me, you can comment out (or delete altogether) line that reads reload_menu_pmaps ( ... in src/afterstep/configure.c (approximately line 1899) Thanks for reporting that. Sasha Vasko > > niklas > >> Do you use all of the images that are installed? One easy way to increase >> the load speed (and get junk off your system) is to remove all those image >> collections that you are probably never going to use. >> >> I generally select images I like, put them in ~/.afterstep/backgrounds/, >> and remove the unwanted/unneeded packages/collections. >> >> Maybe there's another way to fix this, but clutter is clutter. >> >> >> Jeff >> >>> Greetings everyone. >>> >>> When afterstep is loading, it takes quite a while to go through all the >>> entries in "Reloading menu pixmaps: " -- at least a minute or so on a >>> not-slow system. Is this step necessary? If so, is there any way to >>> speed it up? >>> (If it's relevant, I've set MenuMiniPixmaps to 0 in my look file, but >>> that >>> didn't stop it.) >>> >>> Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > As-users mailing list > As-users@afterstep.org > http://mail.afterstep.org/mailman/listinfo/as-users From turnerjw784 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 22:48:07 2009 From: turnerjw784 at yahoo.com (Jim Turner) Date: Wed Apr 1 22:48:27 2009 Subject: [As-users] Reloading menu pixmaps hack Message-ID: <405113.37781.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Sasha for the configure.c (actually line 1880 in v2.2.8) hack!? I commented out the reload_menu_pmaps() line and it sped up AS load time (and thus my bootup time) tremendously. Jim Turner -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Mon Apr 6 09:02:04 2009 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Mon Apr 6 09:02:27 2009 Subject: [As-users] Software recommendation Message-ID: <200904060902.04380.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> I'd like a program to switch my desktop background on a regular basis among various images stored in a directory. It would be nice if i could switch all 4 of my virtual desktops simultaneously (as well as the background that Pager displays for each desktop). I know there are many packages that can do simple background rotation for one desktop. Which ones work best with AfterStep and Pager though? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From sasha at aftercode.net Mon Apr 6 13:12:37 2009 From: sasha at aftercode.net (Sasha Vasko) Date: Mon Apr 6 12:14:33 2009 Subject: [As-users] Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <200904060902.04380.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200904060902.04380.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <49DA4615.6090906@aftercode.net> Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > I'd like a program to switch my desktop background on a regular basis > among various images stored in a directory. It would be nice if i could > switch all 4 of my virtual desktops simultaneously (as well as the > background that Pager displays for each desktop). I know there are many > packages that can do simple background rotation for one desktop. Which > ones work best with AfterStep and Pager though? > It is currently not possible to switch backgrounds on desktops other then current. It would not be difficult to modify AfterStep to allow for something like that though. Perhaps adding logic to Background function handling to check if the first parameter is a number then use it as the desktop number to change background at. Sasha Vasko From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Tue Apr 14 13:07:32 2009 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Tue Apr 14 13:07:52 2009 Subject: [As-users] One application with multiple windows on multiple desktops Message-ID: <200904141307.32637.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> In the past i could have multiple windows from one application on different desktops. Awhile ago Firefox stopped allowing that; if i try to move a window to another desktop, *all* Firefox windows move to the new desktop. Today for the first time my terminal application started exhibiting the same behavior. I'm running AfterStep 2.2.8 on Debian Testing. Is this an AfterStep setting, or something at the application level? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From ph1 at openstrike.co.uk Tue Apr 14 13:38:18 2009 From: ph1 at openstrike.co.uk (Pete Houston) Date: Tue Apr 14 13:38:44 2009 Subject: [As-users] One application with multiple windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <200904141307.32637.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200904141307.32637.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <20090414183818.GL3230@palma.openstrike.co.uk> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 01:07:32PM -0500, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > In the past i could have multiple windows from one application on > different desktops. Awhile ago Firefox stopped allowing that; if i try > to move a window to another desktop, *all* Firefox windows move to the > new desktop. Today for the first time my terminal application started > exhibiting the same behavior. > > I'm running AfterStep 2.2.8 on Debian Testing. Is this an AfterStep > setting, or something at the application level? Hello Dan, I had the same issue with Firefox, but setting "NoGroupHints" in the afterstep "database" file has fixed it for me. HTH, Pete -- Openstrike - improving business through open source http://www.openstrike.co.uk/ or call 01722 770036 / 07092 020107 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.afterstep.org/pipermail/as-users/attachments/20090414/67384dfb/attachment.pgp From sasha at aftercode.net Tue Apr 14 17:12:37 2009 From: sasha at aftercode.net (Sasha Vasko) Date: Tue Apr 14 16:14:41 2009 Subject: [As-users] One application with multiple windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <20090414183818.GL3230@palma.openstrike.co.uk> References: <200904141307.32637.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <20090414183818.GL3230@palma.openstrike.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E50A55.8040408@aftercode.net> Pete Houston wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 01:07:32PM -0500, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: >> In the past i could have multiple windows from one application on >> different desktops. Awhile ago Firefox stopped allowing that; if i try >> to move a window to another desktop, *all* Firefox windows move to the >> new desktop. Today for the first time my terminal application started >> exhibiting the same behavior. >> >> I'm running AfterStep 2.2.8 on Debian Testing. Is this an AfterStep >> setting, or something at the application level? > > Hello Dan, > > I had the same issue with Firefox, but setting "NoGroupHints" in the > afterstep "database" file has fixed it for me. > Correct. This is being governed by the Group hint being set by the application. Apparently whatever terminal emulator started doing that for you - changed its behavior. Fortunately AS gives you total control over stuff like that. Just add NoGroupHint style for the offender into database. > HTH, > > Pete > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > As-users mailing list > As-users@afterstep.org > http://mail.afterstep.org/mailman/listinfo/as-users From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Tue Apr 14 16:29:39 2009 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Tue Apr 14 16:30:01 2009 Subject: [As-users] One application with multiple windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <49E50A55.8040408@aftercode.net> References: <200904141307.32637.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <20090414183818.GL3230@palma.openstrike.co.uk> <49E50A55.8040408@aftercode.net> Message-ID: <200904141629.39861.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On 2009-04-14 at 17:12:37, you wrote: >Pete Houston wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 01:07:32PM -0500, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: >>> In the past i could have multiple windows from one application on >>> different desktops. Awhile ago Firefox stopped allowing that; if i >>> try to move a window to another desktop, *all* Firefox windows move >>> to the new desktop. Today for the first time my terminal >>> application started exhibiting the same behavior. >>> >>> I'm running AfterStep 2.2.8 on Debian Testing. Is this an AfterStep >>> setting, or something at the application level? >> >> Hello Dan, >> >> I had the same issue with Firefox, but setting "NoGroupHints" in the >> afterstep "database" file has fixed it for me. > >Correct. This is being governed by the Group hint being set by the >application. Apparently whatever terminal emulator started doing that >for you - changed its behavior. > >Fortunately AS gives you total control over stuff like that. Just add >NoGroupHint style for the offender into database. Thanks for the tips. I added ", NoGroupHints" to the Firefox line in database: Style "Firefox-bin" Icon logos/Firefox, IgnoreConfig, NoGroupHints That, unfortunately, had no effect. At the top of the file there appears to be a catch-all line, so i added NoGroupHints to that: Style "*" Icon interface.xpm, NoGroupHints Now Firefox works as i expect it to; i can place windows on different desktops without difficulty. The "terminal application" i use is gnome-terminal. It doesn't have its own line in the AfterStep database, but even adding NoGroupHints to the "*" line, the terminal still insists on having all windows on 1 desktop. Is there something else i can try? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Tue Apr 14 22:38:12 2009 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Tue Apr 14 22:38:33 2009 Subject: [As-users] One application with multiple windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <200904141629.39861.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200904141307.32637.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <49E50A55.8040408@aftercode.net> <200904141629.39861.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <200904142238.12685.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> I wrote too soon. It turns out that after editing database, i have to tell AfterStep to do an "Update All" twice before settings take effect. I had only done it once when i reported lack of success. Now things are working as i want them to. On 2009-04-14 at 16:29:39, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: >Thanks for the tips. > >I added ", NoGroupHints" to the Firefox line in database: >Style "Firefox-bin" Icon logos/Firefox, IgnoreConfig, > NoGroupHints > >That, unfortunately, had no effect. At the top of the file there > appears to be a catch-all line, so i added NoGroupHints to that: >Style "*" Icon interface.xpm, NoGroupHints > >Now Firefox works as i expect it to; i can place windows on different >desktops without difficulty. The "terminal application" i use is >gnome-terminal. It doesn't have its own line in the AfterStep > database, but even adding NoGroupHints to the "*" line, the terminal > still insists on having all windows on 1 desktop. Is there something > else i can try? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From as_ml at vaevictus.net Wed Apr 15 07:42:53 2009 From: as_ml at vaevictus.net (Nathan 'Vaevictus' Mahon) Date: Wed Apr 15 07:47:37 2009 Subject: [As-users] One application with multiple windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <200904142238.12685.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200904141307.32637.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <49E50A55.8040408@aftercode.net> <200904141629.39861.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <200904142238.12685.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <49E5D64D.7080709@vaevictus.net> I believe the proper procedure for a database change is an afterstep restart. n8 Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > I wrote too soon. It turns out that after editing database, i have to > tell AfterStep to do an "Update All" twice before settings take effect. > I had only done it once when i reported lack of success. Now things are > working as i want them to. > > On 2009-04-14 at 16:29:39, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > >> Thanks for the tips. >> >> I added ", NoGroupHints" to the Firefox line in database: >> Style "Firefox-bin" Icon logos/Firefox, IgnoreConfig, >> NoGroupHints >> >> That, unfortunately, had no effect. At the top of the file there >> appears to be a catch-all line, so i added NoGroupHints to that: >> Style "*" Icon interface.xpm, NoGroupHints >> >> Now Firefox works as i expect it to; i can place windows on different >> desktops without difficulty. The "terminal application" i use is >> gnome-terminal. It doesn't have its own line in the AfterStep >> database, but even adding NoGroupHints to the "*" line, the terminal >> still insists on having all windows on 1 desktop. Is there something >> else i can try? >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University > Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave > +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA > _______________________________________________ > As-users mailing list > As-users@afterstep.org > http://mail.afterstep.org/mailman/listinfo/as-users > From zizban at mac.com Wed Apr 29 09:57:12 2009 From: zizban at mac.com (Jerome Turkel) Date: Wed Apr 29 09:58:32 2009 Subject: [As-users] Wharf On Bottom Message-ID: <3386871843797131998962453234721300884-Webmail@me.com> Hi all Is there is a way to set the Wharf (and MonitorWharf) to always stay on the bottom, ie let Terminal or browser windows cover it. Thanks.